Sometimes I fail to understand certain otaku

Kyou is pretty cute. So are tomboys most of the time, though not always tsundere. Subservient, codependent characters tend to be less cute than those with actual personalities. Not that they have to be tsundere or tomboys, but going to the exact opposite extreme doesn’t help.

You’re such a fag.

I have a theory– these fans are terribly shallow people who like these characters just for their designs.

In part, isn’t that what makes it a fantasy?

But lemme think this through via Clannad…

Who is the most physically attractive character. Probably Kyou (zettai ryouiki etc.). I think this is, as you stated, general consensus. It’s the tsundere image ‘n stuff that generates CARNAL LUST amongst otakudom.

Runners up? – maybe Kotomi, with the very strange bare foot thing in the first season (honestly, I’m not a foot guy…I hope).

Least attractive? – Ryou. I guess it’s the hair.

Favorite personality? – Sanae, and her history supports/amplifies this. She gave up her dream because her and Akio-san had Nagisa when they were pretty young. The whole drama in season 1 ep. 21-22 about the parents giving up their dream for Nagisa, but then reinvigorating that dream within Nagisa was very powerful, especially the climactic scene where Akio runs into the stage and generates MANLY TEARS amongst us. Sanae was there too. Actually, I like the parents a lot, despite the not-so-funny-anymore Women Are The Worst Cooks Ever trope.

Least favorite personality? – Nagisa. Why is she so submissive? [to that extent, does she remind you of the fans you speak of?] She’s very nice, but my patience has its limits [screw already, you’re human aren’t you?] Her overflowing moe does not do enough to counteract how much I dislike her personality.

So overall, and I didn’t really explicate any of this, Kyou seems pretty shallow (why does she like Okazaki in the first place? We’re never told, I think), but Sanae is both hot and deep (oh god bad pun) – she has a history that explains her predicament, and while her personality does not seem to reflect her past, the result is that she’s constructed as a very stable character that’s come to terms with the past, Akio probably being the only better one (but he’s a dude…).

And that lizard-down-the-shirt scene was oddly erotic.

So yeah, I’ve never met a Sanae in real life, and if I do, holy shit.

I think it’s ok to be normal if being not-normal means being like you :v

You’ve encircled Nagi on the picture but she’s naggy, annoying and not very attractive personality-wise.

“Where’s the fantasy in girls who are, more or less, like girls you’d run across in the real world? What’s attractive about a girl with the personality of a boy?”
> Why do you compare with the real world ? We’ve never seen this world. There is only one world : 2D world so talking about fantasy is weird.

“I have a theory– these fans are terribly shallow people who like these characters just for their designs”
I’m agree. For example many people love Kyou because she has delicious legs.

i agree to an extent i often find myself bord or even angry at theese charecters but sometimes i feel oddly attached to them wile i was reading this i couldn’t help but think of tiaga from toradora and the fact that i like her mmore than the main charecter himself so im not sure were i stand here but all i know is FUCK BEING NORMAL its to boring that way and all of youwho posted befor me dont be so rash to turn on your fellow otaku we need to stick together

Sometimes I swear you’re reading my mind.

I usually don’t like the girl that’s preferred by the majority of the fandom, including all the examples that you listed up there.

So I’m afraid I can’t provide any insight as to why people like these characters.

Well, they look for fantasy, but at the same time it is kind of wish fulfilment for real life… but I can’t say much, as I don’t end up fretting over anyone. It’s annoying sometimes, as I got friends with definite favourites XD

You’re berating people for having a different taste than you ON THE INTERNET?!

I agree with Kyouray:
>You’ve encircled Nagi on the picture but she’s naggy, annoying and not very attractive personality-wise.
Not to mention she’s not attractive ‘physical’-wise. Just because you like loli sluts wildarmshero doesn’t mean everyone does. Not every anime watcher is an otaku. Otaku’s are the shut-in, mentally ill and socially retarded people who plaster their walls with their waifus depicted in as explicit as possible poses, wearing as little as possible. The people you hear on the internet, and are now complaining about, are not necessarily otaku’s like you. They are probably normal people.

Lets sum this up. You are complaining at your fellow otaku for something non-otaku do, or don’t do. How typical of you. You are wrong, ON THE INTERNET. And hopefully you realize that there is no ‘right’ concerning a topic of taste.

Wildarms, I swear you and i must share a brain or something. You took the words right out of my mouth. I’m all for the subservient, gentle, sweet, demure, caring… (trails off) type.
Screw those angry bitches! Is the otaku community turning towards masochism or something? I mean do you guys LIKE being punched in the balls and told that you’re a worthless piece of crap by girls? Or do you somehow get turned on by backstabbing bitches? (ASA i’m looking at you!). Show some love for the traditional housewife type whose sole purpose in life is to make you happy. I love Kaede and i’m PROUD OF IT! Kaede~~~

Hinagiku? Naggy and Annoying? What the hell are you smoking WAH?

ah, bakabakashii

Straight Yamato Nadesico is so, 80s? Yes, there is an anime character for ever possible tastes one could have out there and there are those that could sit through more Ah! Megumi-Sama, but that is certainly not for everyone.

Worthiness of the character aside, tsuntsun characters add dynamic to a series in a way more mellow characters can not. Two agreeable characters with each other would have no tension and the entire plot would have to be driven by outside events or impediments like blood relatedness. Tsun characters are also necessary party to slapstick as female on male violence is socially accepted while any the originate from the male isn’t.

If one starts with agreeable and honest characters, there isn’t exactly much room for movement for a plot.

>these are not reasons…. the issue being wholly unpleasant personality traits.
Liking require no reasons. If it were possible, it would much easier to like hard work as opposed to anime but we don’t get to choose do we? Why bother liking something that costs money and generates no returns?

Besides, not everyone reads the same interactions the same way. For long term tsundere followers, opposition and resistance is an assertion of independence and an violent reminder of a separated mind, while the inverse is a kind of weakness and mindlessness. Now it is true that there are those that likes weakness since it sort of elevate themselves higher, but there are those that consider it wholly lacking in challenge and rather pointless. Taking someone that can not resist is but masturbation.

The entire concept of tsundere come from breaking down a character’s personality, poise, sense of shame, self image and self control with the so called relationship. This is another kind of dominance, I suppose, and one that gets into their mind.

To quote something that may come out of a hentai: “It is so wrong but it feels so good…..”

Yeah, thats the idea, basically.

Ah, the good old dislike tsundere post.

I like tsundere. I also like the older/mature female characters. The reason I would give for me liking tsundere would be because I like someone who can be strong and/or independent as a contrast to the way I feel sometimes.

I don’t like tomboyish characters but I like the characters who don’t need anyone else. If these characters do find someone else, I take it as character development but not a change in personality.

Otaku probably enjoy tomboyish tsundere characters because they fantasize about breaking their tough exteriors to reveal a weak interior. This is revealed through one of the most otaku mediums: h-doujins. Many are violent, or at least forceful, as many otaku dream of a world of domination over females. They also usually involve a faceless man who the reader can imagine as being themselves. Tomboy tsunderes are perfect for these as the plots usually involve breaking down these women.

I am fans of most character types from the airheads to the tomboys you hate so much wildarmsheero. One of the few types I’m not a big fan of is the otaku girl, as Konata from Lucky Star felt like a pain to me.

>>This is why I like Kyou doujins, but hate her as a character. In the end, I do prefer the rape of weak girls, though. It’s more fun to watch them cry helplessly.

I love rape hentai. What that says about me is probably something completely unpleasant, but what’re you gonna do, nature of the beast and all that. It’s the best if they end up completely breaking down emotionally.

Would Haruhi be considered tsundere? Or just unpredictable and bossy?

I think I can see why you lump Kagami in unpleasant tsundere category. However, her tsundere elements are such a light touch in comparison to so many others. I do not find her to have a “conceited, spikey, combative personality.” She is tsukkomi if anything. I think her status as tsundere is more a joke than anything, which Konata exploits very avidly. She never gets abusive, or exceptionally hostile. Konata likes to provoke her. Thats were we get a lot of this tsundere issue. I think of a stereotypical tsundere as more likely to punch someone than admit to some softness. Kagami doesn’t seem like that type. Her only moments of being particularly combative are when clearly and purposely provoked. She does seem like a normal person. A strong person. An equal. Also… Slice of life type shows cannot be compared to your standards for ‘As an otaku, aren’t you supposed to embrace fantasy? Where’s the fantasy in girls who are, more or less, like girls you’d run across in the real world?’ Thats like saying that Yotsuba and Ichigo Mashimaro are camel dung, smeared across the back of a horny Arab. FUCK THAT SHIT. Why not throw up Nobue as one of your tsundere hate list? All she lacks is the twintails.

Konata gives as good as she gets in that relationship. They trade blows. Its never once sided. Kagami is a huge creampuff. She’d give every organ in her body to Konata if need be.

Of course, most tsundere girls are very strong, aggressive etc. Its still a man’s world in Japan, and tsundere girls would make a small relatively physically uninspiring japanese male feel a bit threatened, eh? However, despite their ‘strengths’ all tsundere girls can’t simply be complete or happy without the man? Perhaps their overwhelming need for the sort of emotional and ultimately physical protections MALES alone can provide, make your average otaku feel needed and important in a world where women are closing the gap on a once uneven playing field. Kagami’s own ‘need’ is rather lightweight. Kagami IS pretty normal. She wants a guy to make her feel loved and to keep loneliness away(what girl doesn’t want this?). She feels distanced from her friends because of her different hobbies and classes. Top it off you have a nice package. Cute, intelligent, steady, hardworking, and she is NOT terribly threatening or hostile. She’s approachable. You wouldn’t have to fear for your life. She would NOT go crazy from seeing naughty bits. Steady, if not a bit stand offish on the outside, creampuff on the inside, FOR the otaku to exploit. I’m most likely talking out of my ass, but… Its late, and I need sleep.

I liked Rei Ayanami because of her exotic looks, and because I wanted to know WHY she acted so cold. She had reasons to be weird like that. Nagato is just fucking hot and would make a great lap warmer. And she reads Dan Simmons, how can I not like that?

I’m deeply surprised that you didn’t whip out Murasaki.

And if you think I’m wordy here, just imagine some of the Strike Witches conversations I’ve had. Oh so glorious. My current desktop http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/1542/strikewitchesawesomeresui7.jpg

Well, it makes good sense. Consider what Lucky Star is? What does it parody? What does it do? How can otaku not flock to this?

Asuna has her moments of not being annoying in Negima, but overall I’ve had my fill of Naru to the extent that I merely tolerate Asuna. But I gave up on negima AGAIN a while back. Fucking arena battles are annoying bullshit. However, cute girls with scars on their backs kept as slave maids, is VERY relevant to my interests, so I may return to it.

Kyou from clannad is pretty fucking hot. She had her moments of being hilarious in the realm of physical humor. Especially since she would have totally fucked the lead guy in that shed. I never finished clannad as I liked the FUNNY far more than the annoying emo drama.

I have no idea who Hinagaku or Asa are…. Never heard of ’em. None of the girls you have mention hold a god damn candle to Suzuka. I cheered during her brutal rape in a translated doujinshi. w00t

Pretty much every character in any anime is generic these days anyway. It is just a preference. You should really respect other peoples opinions concerning which Japanese drawings they jack off too a bit more.

Also, who the hell cares about Asuna? I forgot she freaking existed completely for awhile, and I even keep up to date with the comic series.

>>But still, you’re the only person who’s given an explanation. And that’s just for Kagami, who really isn’t that bad. All the other characters I’ve listed are far worse, and no one has jumped out of the woodwork to defend them. They must be some pretty shallow people (that or they just don’t read this blog)!

Well that’s because they really don’t deserve defending. The one I’d defend, Asuna, is a product of Akamatsu: she’s supposed to be an archetype. All the girls in Negima are. It’s really the only way the bastard can have that much of an ensemble cast.

And that’s the reason she isn’t the most popular character in Negima, even though she’s the most featured of the little boy’s haram. Besides her background as a ward of wizards (most importantly Negi’s dad, Nagi), she doesn’t have much going for her. While everyone’s an archetype , the other archetypes are more interesting than the “genuinely caring, but overly aggressive big sister surrogate” . The shy, but ultimately wilfful and perverted bookworm for example. The friend who helps out in love, yet falls for the same guy. The preverted female manga artist who draws artwork of her friends. I fap to all of them, but rarely Asuna (that’s because they’re all friends, the members of the bookclub). I mean I like Asuna, she kinda hot with her long legs, and I like how she is used as the main defender of Negi, but I will agree with you that she is paper thin.

>>I read this as “can’t think of any reason to like the characters beyond their design”

And I mean it as “I kinda think you’re right.” People do like her merely for her character design (and because they aren’t really used to the character archetype: anyone who sees her character as anything but a cookie cutter Tsundere with a bit more backstory are newbs) . But I mean, is she the only one? I mean you yourself liked Yoko even before Gurren Lagann aired if I remember correctly. And just why is it that Gundam Seed, Seed Destiny, and 00 have the most porn of anykind for Gundam series? (Back when H Gundam.net was still around, I believe most Gundam had a about a 100 images, a 1000 max. Seed and Destiny, naturally, had 100000 images per folder. And this is of straight images alone. Imagine what the Yaoi fangirls were drawing?) Because the character designs of whores like Flay Alistar, Meer Campbell, and unrepentant bitches like Nena Trinity are most appealing to the average pervert, more than say, the character designs of Sayla Mass. Even if Sayla is a better character, looks hot in the Fedddy uniform, and is mildly likable (especially compared to those three, the most unlikable female characters in Gundam).. As much as we anime fans like personality, some like design more.