studio bones is a bad studio and you should hate them because they are bad
Anyone who knows me personally or has had the distinct pleasure of reading my well-researched and thought out forum posts will know that I hate Studio Bones.
A bit of background for I get going. Some backstory if you will. Yesterday I was working like fucking crazy all day. Naturally, after such an ordeal one would not be the most mentally stable. Me, being insane normally, was insane beyond human comprehension. We’re talking NHK, drug popping, talking refrigerator Satou Tatsuhiro insane. On top of this, I was listening to episodes of Anime World Order*, one of these episodes being the one in which Daryl Surat rants for something like 15 minutes on how much he hates pedos. So, on top of me being insane, I was filled with RANT FUEL after being throughly impressed by Surat’s talent to hate so beautifully.
Cut to about 10:30pm and I’m reading this thread. The subject has shifted to that of Eureka Seven, a Bones show from 2004 or thereabouts. I chimed in saying I should really continue the show, as it’s the only not-shitty thing Bones has ever laid their hands on. The fine gentleman below me made a somewhat snarky comment regarding my tastes in anime, which is typical of him. Now, it as this point where I quite rationally chose between two courses of action. Even though my mind was ravaged beyond belief, I was still able to make this one decision. That being, to a) leave another snarky comment and leave it at that, or b) launch into an offensive rant that makes no fucking sense and will be sure to stir up controversy. Now, I was high on insanity and Surat rants, which are horrible things to waste, so naturally I choose b. Any other sane person would.
What follows is an argument that makes no sense at all, and is filled with delicious drama and all attention pointed towards me, ME, ME! I won’t write anymore, because you can just read the rest for yourself.
Now, back to the topic at hand: Studio Bones. Why do I hate such a well respected studio so much? Well, that’s exactly why I hate them. I hate them because everyone fucking loves them. Bones, on their own are your typical average anime studio and the only thing setting them apart from the rest of the average studios is the fact that they are pretentious. Now, pretentious, as defined by the American Heritage Dictionary means, “Claiming or demanding a position of distinction or merit, especially when unjustified.” This is exactly what Bones does. Their outsides are big and showy, boasting crazy production values and the like, but at their bare bones (PUN!) they are quite boring and uninteresting. I should also note that while their animation is certainly solid, it’s not visually interesting in the least. Even KyoAni, which is also fairly tame with its visuals has that cool glowy-effect and moe character designs. What fucking BOTHERS me is how people eat this crap and thoroughly enjoy it time and time again.
This hate is not unjustified. I’ve seen a pretty good sampling of the studio’s work. In fact, I’ve seen near everything they’ve ever done! ACTUALLY, what I’ll do right now is go through all the Bones shows that I’ve seen, and give my full and complete thoughts on them.
- Cowboy Bebop: Knockin’ on Heaven’s Door: I’ll start off by saying that Sunrise made the original Cowboy Bebop TV series, which is an incredibly perfect show which is typical of Sunrise since they tend to make perfect things (but lately they’ve been making less than perfect things.) For some reason people think Bones made Bebop, which is very wrong (but not really since a lot of the Bebop crew when over to work at Bones) since they only made the movie. I guess people miss this big fucking © 1998 SUNRISE INC. at the end of opening which plays for 25 of the 26 episodes. But hey, I guess anime fans are blind. Whatever. Anyway, this movie is fine. Not the best the franchise had to offer, but certainly big and showy and pulled off pretty well. One of the greatest cel-productions I’ve ever seen, probably. The thing that makes it work is Watanabe, a most perfect director in every regard, since he’s the Tarantino of anime, and Tarantino is another perfect director who can do no wrong. Without him, this movie would be, uh, well it would turn out kind of like the next entry…
- Wolf’s Rain: Back in the days when I was stupider than I am now (if your mind can even fathom such a thing) I was fucking psyched for this show. It had almost all the Bebop team, sans Watanabe. Now, I was still on dial up so I had to wait for it come stateside, which didn’t take very long. I watched it all on Adult Swim as a stupid 15 year old, and liked it pretty good but… it wasn’t perfect. It was less than perfect. It was less than great. It was ok. I watched it again about a year ago, and the flaws in pacing a basic storytelling simply became more apparent. It was a fine show with an ambitious concept, but was too long, and maybe got stuck in its own dumb bullshit. Also, too many pretty boys.
- Scrapped Princess: This is probably the single most entertaining TV show I’ve seen out of Bones in its entirety. The story is based off a novel, so they didn’t have to actually think up much of anything, which is only for the better. The character designs are derived from otaku favourite, Mogudan, so the show doesn’t try to look more important than it is by trying to force some half realistic/half cartoon style upon itself. The first half is rather boring, but the second half is somewhat gripping and the characters are actually interesting to watch making for a slightly above average second half that is weighed down by a boring bellow average first half, resulting in an average anime that isn’t offensive in the slightest but probably isn’t worth too much praise.
- Full Metal Alchemist: This show is long and boring and only gets interesting in its last 10 episodes then it ends. People only like it because it has boys which they can draw yaoi of. To its credit though, I do like the world it created around itself, but in the end it’s your typical shounen show and tries to be important by making some half-assed parallel to the state of affairs in the middle east. Also, it’s not funny at all. It has the worst type of anime humour imaginable.
- Eureka Seven: I’ve not actually seen all of this show, but I should as it seems unique and interesting, unlike everything else under this studio’s belt. Also, it has robots. How can you go wrong with robots?
- Ouran High School Host Club: This is where it really happened. This is where the true hate began. This show presented itself, initially as a smart and sharp parody on shoujo cliches, which I found extremely entertaining since I hate shoujo manga with every ounce of my being. About four episodes in, the same jokes are still being used. About 12 episodes in, the jokes stop happening and it starts taking itself and its pretty boy cast seriously. By episode 17, I dropped it. Fuck that shit. Fuck it all.
- Ayakashi Ayashi: This here had promise, mostly in the form of character designs by Toshihiro Kawamoto and promises of an epic story that would span 50 episodes. However, the first episode was boring as all hell, the designs were some of Kawamoto’s worst and the show in general failed to entertain me. I dropped it after 11 episodes.
- Darker Than Black: I think I should note that up until my viewing of Ouran, I was fairly indifferent towards the studio. However, by Darker Than Black, I had fucking strong bias against it. However, it had a soundtrack by Yoko Kanno, a cool urban setting and really nice character design. Unfortunately, the show proper was mostly slow, boring, and built up to a very unsatisfactory ending that really made no sense. Yin was the only saving grace in this mess of a pretentious anime.
Nothing on that list is anything groundbreaking, unique or very interesting, with the maybe exception of E7 and of course the Bebop movie. Bones has done nothing to show that they are a worthwhile studio worthy of any praise, so I’m lost as to why people cream their fucking pants over their shit. Honestly, guys, it’s not that good. Want good anime? Watch something SHAFT made, or KyoAni, or Gainax, or older Sunrise shows. Do not look towards Bones. There be nothing but poopoo over there.
*Anime World Order is, I should note, the most perfect podcast in existence. Even though they go against everything I stand for (that being loli and the pedo way) they are all extremely humourous and you should listen to them if you’re not a humourless, boring person who gets easily offended when a random internet person hates your favourite anime.
“Why do I hate such a well respected studio so much? Well, that’s exactly why I hate them. I hate them because everyone fucking loves them…This hate is not unjustified.”
Not unjustified? Sounds to me just every angsty teen who likes to hate on anything that’s popular or cool so that they can be “edgy” or some shit.
It’s one thing to stand by your own opinion, even if that goes against the grain, but to hate something solely because lots of other people like it and you don’t understand why is just silly and juvenile.
Oh well; it’s just a rant, I know. And I can certainly sympathize with your viewpoint. Still, if you’re gonna try to justify your opinion I’d prefer to see some real reasons. :P
this post is like me and shinbo
I agree that most Bones shows are highly overrated but you should check out Kurau Phantom Memory and RahXephon. Those two shows are quite interesting in my opinion.
I think people love Bones because other people tell them, the studio was good. This is a phenomenon that happens quite often with successful studios. They have one successful work and since then people don’t even bother to check the quality of the following shows again. It’s the same with Ghibli.
lol RahXephon. Actually, wah should check RahXephon, either he likes it or gives him a very good reason to hate(more) Bones.
Here, here. I personally like a good deal of their stuff (FMA was good for a Shonen anime, Eureka 7 was godly though a bit light on action, Wolf’s Rain was decent and good with the AS edit). However, a know a lot people who think they are teh best studio evar, when really they’ve only been around for a couple years and have only made mostly average works. I find the fan worship of them really annoying in that aspect. Even Gainex hasn’t had their asses kissed this much.
Orion: I think I gave ok reasons as to why I hate them in explaining how all their shows are merely ok and not really all that good. It does honestly bother me that people hold such a mediocre studio in high regard, especially when true geniuses such as SHAFT get, uh, shafted.
ransom: :v
Anon: I would rather watch Yuusha Raideen, the show RahXephon is a remake of. It seems more entertaining than this.
“Anon: I would rather watch Yuusha Raideen, the show RahXephon is a remake of. It seems more entertaining than this.”
Rahxephon is NOT a remake of Raideen. They both reference to the same kind of mythology, but thats it in terms of similarity.
Anyway, I don’t think its a good idea to hate something because “everyone fucking loves them”. If you’re gonna follow that line of thinking then you might as well hate Gurren Lagann while your at it, along with any Gundam series directed by Tomino since the average Gundam fan has their head so far up Tomino’s arse that it’s unbelievable. You can probably see why the whole “I hate it because everyone loves it” thing is a pile of crap. Hating the fanbase of a studio/anime/whatever’s fine, but hating something purely because of its fans is pretty shallow IMO.
I don’t know why, but I didn’t find E7 all that impressive. I could see why other people liked it, but I just didn’t enjoy it as much as other people clearly did. Still, the rest of the shows you’ve listed I either really enjoyed or havn’t watched yet, so I’ve got a pretty good opinion of Bones to say the least.
P.S: When I say “Gundam fan”, I mean the kind of fan who’s watched more than just Seed or Wing. I don’t count the people who watch Seed/Wing and say “IM A GUNDAM FAN LOL”. Just clearing that up.
I don’t hate them just because people like them. I hate them because they are an average studio and people fap so much to their average work, and it makes no sense. Honestly, getting excited over Bones is like getting excited over Studio Deen.
I would say I disagree with almost all of your points. I found that Eureka 7 was amazing in both action and story. It was so much deeper and more meaningful then one would think for a show that was aimed at kids. Also, Ouran is one of the funniest shows I have seen period. I wouldn’t say that the jokes were the same each week. Of course the premise is similar, that she looks like a guy and is a commoner, but most comedies have some sort of long-running premise. Plus, to me, Rah’Xephon is everything Eva wasn’t, a deeply moving mecha show that ranks as one of my favorite. It looked wonderful and had interesting characters.
The jokes in Ouran were either the same or just not funny. But I find Pani Poni Dash the best example of anime comedy ever, so what do I know. But it had too many pretty boys, which kills any anime for me.
I can’t speak for Rah since I’ve not seen it, but Eva is my most favourite anime ever, and I find it hard to believe that anything can surpass it because it’s better than everything else. Well… it’s probably on level with Giant Robo, but that’s apples and oranges.
You’re forgetting The Skull Man, which was a great homage to the henshin heroes of Shotaro Ishinomori. I’ll agree it was a bit pretentious, like most Bones shows, but certainly better than Darker than Black. Probably my favorite anime from them yet.
I never saw SkullMan. It looked like they tried to modernize too much so I passed.
I would call it more retro-modern, but that’s just my opinion.
i will agree with you.
while i did enjoy what little ive seen of knocking on heavens door, ive not enjoyed any of that other stuff.
most of that stuff is terribly overatted.
especially most recently darker than black which i was like, this is alright, then was like, dear god. this is exactly the same as everything else ever.
dont get me started on fullmetal alchemist.
also skullman was….eh.
Demian: I’m more a fan of the Giant Robo-way: just keep the designs exactly the same. I love those wacky cartoony 60s designs.
Well I thought a lot of Eva was pretty pretentious posturing and way overdone, it was a 7/10 effort to me =/ I really don’t like shows whose character abuse rises to such extreme levels. You should probably watch Rah’Xephon though, it has musical symbolism/imagery instead of religious, and I think the characters are better.
Eva only seems pretentious because they ran out of money and Anno being the clever guy that he is thought flashing random images would work to do… something. Also I’m a huge fan of shows treating their characters like shit.
But with Eva I guess it’s kind of a nostalgia thing too, since it’s one of the first things I ever saw as an impressionable 12 year old. It still holds up pretty well today, too. I don’t really know why people get stuck on the religious symbolism. It’s not really good or bad so much as it is just there. Crosses do look cool, though.
The thing with Eva is it came from an era where anime still wasn’t afraid to just be a total dick to everyone involved. The story keeps plunging itself further and further into the pits of the despair, and I absolutely love it. A lot of anime these days doesn’t really do that and insists on being nice to its characters. This is probably why I love trainwreck affairs like School Days.
“Darker Channel” made my day. And I share your opinion on DtB. Also, FMA was indeed incredibly boring at times. I deeply regret not starting with the manga (since I’m told it’s very different) and have yet to pick it up due to the cold shower effects from the anime.
I generally stay away from any Shounen Jump title that started after 1995
I knew you listen to AWO but I was wondering what was your impression about them when they let their audience know that they hate the “loli and the pedo way”because like you said they go against everything you stand for.
About the bones stuff.. well the only show decent enough in my opinion was Eureka 7 and they screw up with darker than black.
They have their opinions, I have mine. I don’t let that bother me. They are a genuinely funny podcast with people who actually know their stuff.
It didn’t ven sound like you hated most of those..
Eureka Seven is better than Eva, and almost as good as Gurren-Lagann (only lacking that one factor of OMG FUCKING WIN that makes TTGL the best show evar) It’s right under G-L though as my alltime favorite.
well i said the studio was just average. but the fact that people cream their pants over them is irritating because they’re not good like shaft or kyoani or to some extent jcstaff
Also Evangelion is better than every anime, period.
Evangelion is no doubt amazing on a level that you’d think totally unachievable. At times. I can only really say that forsaking most of the first half of the show, which upon rewatching proved a bit less-than-great. TTGL and E7 are both amazing from start to finish with maybe one or two little speedbump eps.
But but but the first half of the show has Jet Alone and Dancing Angel Combat and wacky rubber suit looking monsters and it was practically a homage to tokusatsu films that the staff saw as children.
:B
Evangelion is perfect!!!
FYI: FMA manga is published in Monthly Shonen Gangan not Shonen Jump. And it’s actually a descent read with good art and a much better and darker story than the anime; granted I never had too many qualms with the anime besides the ending and the movie was was pretty meh overall.
As for not reading anything in Shonen Jump after 1995, for shame, you’re missing out One Piece and Jojo’s Bizarre Adventure Series 5, which are beyond awesome.
Also, if you judge everything with Evangelion as your holy grail (kinda stereotypical even for you) you’re never gonna be satisfied by anything ever again. Granted I myself love Eva, but I realize it’s mostly Anno Bullshitting and watch it mainly for the silly entertainment, not as some holy grail of Japanese animation masterpiece, which in my opinion Oshii’s works like Urusei Yatsura: Beautiful Dreamer and Patlabor 2 did more for anime as a whole than Evangelion ever did; granted I still think Angel’s Egg is his best work ever.
Ah, my bad. I just figured FMA was in SJ because it was being published by Viz in the states :B
One Piece is ok, and I can’t speak for Jojo. There certainly will be exceptions, but most things in there suck.
I’m kind of being over the top about my devotion to Eva for comedic effect, but is my favourite show. I hardly judge everything by it, mostly because there is nothing else like Eva, so comparing every anime I watch to it would be silly. I don’t really care how much or how little it contributed to otakudom as a whole (though it did change things a lot, probably more so than your two examples regardless of their quality) it’s just my personal favourite.
“I hardly judge everything by it, mostly because there is nothing else like Eva”
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/anime.php?id=1097 I beg to differ. :B
Eva certainly pulled certain themes from Ideon, but they aren’t that similar past that.
I’d just like to say Ideon was also three kinds of double-awesome to the degree that it is rarely seen.
IF Eva is as good, that is an accomplishment in and of itself, if it is better…well yeah, few hold that position.
But WAH is right, the two are not that similar barring a few themes/ references.
I would also like to say I have nothing against BONES, I judge my anime based on merit, not studio.
To me anime like E7 and DMA just aren’t that good, they aren’t bad per se, they just are not as good as every damned fool and his dog seems to think.
Everyone seems to respect and venerate these anime exponentially more than they deserve based on their merits.
It’s treating a three-star performance like a five-star, criminal in my opinion.
Keep in mind I made the Ideon comment with only one episode of the show under my belt :x
It’s cool, I meant to say FMA, not DMA :(
Didn’t they do Angelic Layer? I though that one was pretty good.
Cowboy Bebop: Knockin’ on Heaven’s Door was pretty good too, but it’s fucking Cowboy Bebop. In order to make that suck, you would have had to remove all of the Bebop, as well as most of the Cowboy.
I haven’t seen any of the rest, though from what I gather FMA falls into the same “overrated show with lots of fanboys who WON’T SHUT UP” category as Naruto and Suzumiya Haruhi.
But Haruhi is good and moe.
Haruhi is a good show, but not the ZOMGSOGREATSHOWHOLYSHITYOUGOTTAWATCHITRIGHTNOW show people kept telling me it was.
Well you kinda had to be there when it aired.
Gotta chime in here about rahxephon, it’s a decent show, but its also the biggest evangelion ripoff ever. I honestly can’t understand how people can seriously argue that it isn’t. It ripped off everything from the characters, the plot and even the angels. But if you can get passed that you should watch it since its still a decently entertaining anime, but avoid the movie since its basically a glorified recap episode.
“Evangelion is no doubt amazing on a level that you’d think totally unachievable. At times. I can only really say that forsaking most of the first half of the show, which upon rewatching proved a bit less-than-great. TTGL and E7 are both amazing from start to finish with maybe one or two little speedbump eps.”
I dunno I thought eva was more “amazing start to finish with a few speedbumps” then either of those. Yeah TTGL is a really cool show but it’s not my favorite gainax production (I liked FLCL and EVA alot more) As for Eureka 7 that was a good show but I wouldn’t call it crazy awsome. Guess it all comes down to opinion there.
Don’t mind me… The more people tell me something is ZOMG SO GOOD, the less likely I am to actually enjoy it— because sooner or later it’s been built up to the point that it can’t possibly deliver on all the hype.
If you really want to sell me on a show (/book/game/whatever), casually mention that it’s pretty good and wait for me to get into it myself. Then, if I love it, I’ll tell you it was OMG MAXIMUM WIN WHY DIDN’T YOU TELL ME HOW MUCH THAT ROCKED.
Yes, I’m quirky that way. (^_^)
should i brand you “elitist” wah?
well, i suppose a rant is a rant, from a Sunrise fanboy that is
cowboy bebop is “BONES” in people’s mind because of the team, and Yoko Kanno, of course
and Anno is a writer + ex-suicidal. So Shinji more or less is a projection of his state
and I missed witty dialogues in anime. Zeta has mature, real-like dialogues… cowboy bebop kicked with style in words, oh the glory of 90’s
maybe sunrise should hire a tv-series writer, or have j.j. abrams direct an anime lol
Pocket Nerd: I’m kind of the same way, which is why I stopped taking people seriously. Haruhi actually came in a bad time in my life so I couldn’t fully appreciate it. I liked it after subsequent rewatches though.
Rev: not much elitist as i am angry
Your tastes is anime suck. YOu could probably not tell a good anime if it hits you in the face. FMA suked…..yeah……….si marmota invelea ciocolata (romanian joke).
You couldn’t tell good spelling, grammar, or sentence structure if it hit you in the face.
>>Also, it has robots. How can you go wrong with robots?
Don’t you have problems with Gundam 00? (robots don’t solve everything)
Shaft is truly great only half the time. Most of it greatness is well exploited moe and loli that essentially sell the show and/or save it being dull. Being that it is a visuals powerhouse, for Shaft its not so contemptible, but does prevent anyone that is not subject to these draws to justly underrate it from their perspective.
Let me also say that Shaft is my personal favorite production studio (partially because loli and moe are staples in my anime diet), but sometimes their pacing is a little off. (ef staggered in the beginning, but is turning out great – especially after the visual awesome kicked in at episode 7).
Being great half the time is better than never being great at all, like Bones. I’ve never seen anything out of Shaft that was totally horrible, which is more than I can say for A LOT of studios.
>Don’t you have problems with Gundam 00? (robots don’t solve everything)
You got me there.