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		<title>By: A Conspiracy of Dickbutts &#8211; Attitudes in anime blogging &#171; orz &#8211; I Will Show You Terror in a Handful of Flans</title>
		<link>http://blog.mistakesofyouth.com/2009/08/05/i-had-to-tell-you-twice/comment-page-1/#comment-96093</link>
		<dc:creator>A Conspiracy of Dickbutts &#8211; Attitudes in anime blogging &#171; orz &#8211; I Will Show You Terror in a Handful of Flans</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Sep 2009 00:03:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Halconnen</title>
		<link>http://blog.mistakesofyouth.com/2009/08/05/i-had-to-tell-you-twice/comment-page-1/#comment-90704</link>
		<dc:creator>Halconnen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 21:47:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Looking the source up in many cases doesn&#039;t even require ASKING someone. If you have an old, decent piece of art hidden somewhere on your harddrive, just use http://iqdb.org/ or some similar imagesearch site, drop the link or file in there, wait a second, and BAM, in most cases you&#039;ll have a danbooru link which has the source named and linked. Pixiv profile included.

If that search doesn&#039;t yield a result, and you&#039;re too sociophobic/lazy to -ask- someone who might know, find a different pic. It isn&#039;t that hard.

I personally hate intrusive watermarks that destroy otherwise perfectly good images, so the least I can do is credit the artist. I&#039;ve always figured this was common sense for any semi-decent human being, so I have to say that, misplaced tone or not, I&#039;m completely with wah on this one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looking the source up in many cases doesn&#8217;t even require ASKING someone. If you have an old, decent piece of art hidden somewhere on your harddrive, just use <a href="http://iqdb.org/" rel="nofollow">http://iqdb.org/</a> or some similar imagesearch site, drop the link or file in there, wait a second, and BAM, in most cases you&#8217;ll have a danbooru link which has the source named and linked. Pixiv profile included.</p>
<p>If that search doesn&#8217;t yield a result, and you&#8217;re too sociophobic/lazy to -ask- someone who might know, find a different pic. It isn&#8217;t that hard.</p>
<p>I personally hate intrusive watermarks that destroy otherwise perfectly good images, so the least I can do is credit the artist. I&#8217;ve always figured this was common sense for any semi-decent human being, so I have to say that, misplaced tone or not, I&#8217;m completely with wah on this one.</p>
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		<title>By: foomafoo</title>
		<link>http://blog.mistakesofyouth.com/2009/08/05/i-had-to-tell-you-twice/comment-page-1/#comment-90407</link>
		<dc:creator>foomafoo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 12:19:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All of us benefits on what is on the internet, and yes, I respect the fact the the artists also wants to be credited, but then again, I believe that the artists should be the ones to do the initiative to put up their credits, signatures or whatever they want since they were the ones who decided to upload it on WorldWideWeb. They should have known others could use it as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All of us benefits on what is on the internet, and yes, I respect the fact the the artists also wants to be credited, but then again, I believe that the artists should be the ones to do the initiative to put up their credits, signatures or whatever they want since they were the ones who decided to upload it on WorldWideWeb. They should have known others could use it as well.</p>
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		<title>By: HechEff</title>
		<link>http://blog.mistakesofyouth.com/2009/08/05/i-had-to-tell-you-twice/comment-page-1/#comment-89962</link>
		<dc:creator>HechEff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Aug 2009 14:23:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@kevo: Who cares? Well, people who draw, let it be as a hobby, profession, or for any other reason.

@wah: Unless it gets in the way of the original image, signatures don&#039;t count, right?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@kevo: Who cares? Well, people who draw, let it be as a hobby, profession, or for any other reason.</p>
<p>@wah: Unless it gets in the way of the original image, signatures don&#8217;t count, right?</p>
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		<title>By: kevo</title>
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		<dc:creator>kevo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2009 23:15:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>who... the fuck... cares....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>who&#8230; the fuck&#8230; cares&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Opinion Prone :: Commentary Editorial :: Fanart, Attribution, and Usage</title>
		<link>http://blog.mistakesofyouth.com/2009/08/05/i-had-to-tell-you-twice/comment-page-1/#comment-89107</link>
		<dc:creator>Opinion Prone :: Commentary Editorial :: Fanart, Attribution, and Usage</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Aug 2009 03:54:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] attribution, but the number of comments and trackbacks to WAH&#8217;s original post, as well as his two follow-up posts lead me to think that just about every possible opinion has already been shared. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] attribution, but the number of comments and trackbacks to WAH&#8217;s original post, as well as his two follow-up posts lead me to think that just about every possible opinion has already been shared. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: digitalboy</title>
		<link>http://blog.mistakesofyouth.com/2009/08/05/i-had-to-tell-you-twice/comment-page-1/#comment-89048</link>
		<dc:creator>digitalboy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Aug 2009 23:42:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>leave it to WAH to make an ass out of himself instead of be reasonable. But that&#039;s your thing I guess,</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>leave it to WAH to make an ass out of himself instead of be reasonable. But that&#8217;s your thing I guess,</p>
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		<title>By: dm</title>
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		<dc:creator>dm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Aug 2009 20:05:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Non-exclusive use, even without permission, is not &quot;stealing&quot;.  It just isn&#039;t.

Saying that it is distracts from your valid point, which is that using someone else&#039;s work without giving them credit for that work is rude.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Non-exclusive use, even without permission, is not &#8220;stealing&#8221;.  It just isn&#8217;t.</p>
<p>Saying that it is distracts from your valid point, which is that using someone else&#8217;s work without giving them credit for that work is rude.</p>
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		<title>By: Lol</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lol</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Aug 2009 17:13:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This post is directed not (only) to WAH, but all the waaaaaaahs he&#039;s trying to stand up for.  They expect me to find them, so they&#039;re probably able to find my opinion amongst a bunch of other dumb comments on some site 99% of the internet has never heard off.  WAH, you&#039;re fighting the good fight dude, seriously man, seriously.  It&#039;s not like you&#039;re acting like a crazy and silly Japanophile at all, never heard of that.

&quot;It’s matter of simply not being a total jerk.&quot;

Imho, it&#039;s a big jerk action to hide among wailing faggots whilst making it pretty much impossible to be reliably found by the majority of the internet.

Putting a single URL to your website on the piece of already copyright infringing (lol truth) fanart isn&#039;t going to ruin said piece of art and will result in people being able to find and thus credit you to please your ass.  Instead of putting up stupid one-sided demands whilst trying to hide on the internet is really fucking pathetic.  Wouldn&#039;t you be annoyed if you tried to buy something, but the seller put up a bunch of burning hoops for you to jump through first before you could pay?

And this is the internet for crying out loud.  If you are going to put stuff you made on the internet, and want to be credited or linked to, use a Uniform Resource LOCATOR.  Come half-way, make it so that the buyer only needs to walk to the cash register and tell the cashier he wants to pay.

And let us not forget, laws in the 21st century wild west, HA!  Silly WAH.  Japanese fans of American TV shows also pirate in abundance over the backs of American TV ripping groups.

&quot;We’re all adults here.&quot;

Yet you lot are crying over spilled beans.  Humbleness != stupidity.  Art defacing watermarks = stupidity and lack of humbleness indeed (dumb Americunts who watermark), a small link in the corner of the fanart = smart and still humble, like the tags/logo inside my Threadless shirts.

Lol, fanartists crying and putting up unreasonable demands and crying some more.  Who the fuck would even &#039;steal&#039; and claim your art WAH?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This post is directed not (only) to WAH, but all the waaaaaaahs he&#8217;s trying to stand up for.  They expect me to find them, so they&#8217;re probably able to find my opinion amongst a bunch of other dumb comments on some site 99% of the internet has never heard off.  WAH, you&#8217;re fighting the good fight dude, seriously man, seriously.  It&#8217;s not like you&#8217;re acting like a crazy and silly Japanophile at all, never heard of that.</p>
<p>&#8220;It’s matter of simply not being a total jerk.&#8221;</p>
<p>Imho, it&#8217;s a big jerk action to hide among wailing faggots whilst making it pretty much impossible to be reliably found by the majority of the internet.</p>
<p>Putting a single URL to your website on the piece of already copyright infringing (lol truth) fanart isn&#8217;t going to ruin said piece of art and will result in people being able to find and thus credit you to please your ass.  Instead of putting up stupid one-sided demands whilst trying to hide on the internet is really fucking pathetic.  Wouldn&#8217;t you be annoyed if you tried to buy something, but the seller put up a bunch of burning hoops for you to jump through first before you could pay?</p>
<p>And this is the internet for crying out loud.  If you are going to put stuff you made on the internet, and want to be credited or linked to, use a Uniform Resource LOCATOR.  Come half-way, make it so that the buyer only needs to walk to the cash register and tell the cashier he wants to pay.</p>
<p>And let us not forget, laws in the 21st century wild west, HA!  Silly WAH.  Japanese fans of American TV shows also pirate in abundance over the backs of American TV ripping groups.</p>
<p>&#8220;We’re all adults here.&#8221;</p>
<p>Yet you lot are crying over spilled beans.  Humbleness != stupidity.  Art defacing watermarks = stupidity and lack of humbleness indeed (dumb Americunts who watermark), a small link in the corner of the fanart = smart and still humble, like the tags/logo inside my Threadless shirts.</p>
<p>Lol, fanartists crying and putting up unreasonable demands and crying some more.  Who the fuck would even &#8217;steal&#8217; and claim your art WAH?</p>
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		<title>By: the monster</title>
		<link>http://blog.mistakesofyouth.com/2009/08/05/i-had-to-tell-you-twice/comment-page-1/#comment-88947</link>
		<dc:creator>the monster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Aug 2009 17:12:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>shit we do here and shit they do across the pond will always sometimes seem weird or fucked up to the other side. unless we all fall under some totalitarian one-world regime anytime soon, we&#039;re all going to have differing opinions. when you say that we should prostrate ourselves to these fanartists, i don&#039;t see how that&#039;s exactly meeting common ground.

i don&#039;t use or remember using fanart on my blog or really plan to in the foreseeable future, but going through the first topic, i&#039;m going to agree with the people who are complaining about pixiv being exclusively in japanese. if pixiv is this holy grail of fanart and proper ownership, why are they not meeting us &quot;western human trash&quot; in the middle by making its content available in english? if i&#039;m going to meet their demands of politeness and all that jazz, they&#039;re going to have to meet some of my demands which would make it a lot easier for me to meet theirs.

also, after the shitstorm from that previous post, i thought this topic was bled dry... apparently not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>shit we do here and shit they do across the pond will always sometimes seem weird or fucked up to the other side. unless we all fall under some totalitarian one-world regime anytime soon, we&#8217;re all going to have differing opinions. when you say that we should prostrate ourselves to these fanartists, i don&#8217;t see how that&#8217;s exactly meeting common ground.</p>
<p>i don&#8217;t use or remember using fanart on my blog or really plan to in the foreseeable future, but going through the first topic, i&#8217;m going to agree with the people who are complaining about pixiv being exclusively in japanese. if pixiv is this holy grail of fanart and proper ownership, why are they not meeting us &#8220;western human trash&#8221; in the middle by making its content available in english? if i&#8217;m going to meet their demands of politeness and all that jazz, they&#8217;re going to have to meet some of my demands which would make it a lot easier for me to meet theirs.</p>
<p>also, after the shitstorm from that previous post, i thought this topic was bled dry&#8230; apparently not.</p>
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		<title>By: G</title>
		<link>http://blog.mistakesofyouth.com/2009/08/05/i-had-to-tell-you-twice/comment-page-1/#comment-88940</link>
		<dc:creator>G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Aug 2009 16:32:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Think about Western fandom for a second. What does Western fandom do? Western fandom steals... From Japanese pirates. A lot. How do you watch your anime? Japanese tv/dvdrippers(most of the time). How do you masturbate to those fresh-from-Comic-Market-doujinshi? The Japanese fans scan them. How do you listen to the new, hot anime opening single? The Japanese rip them. How do you look at Megami posters? Japanese fans scan them.

Yarr matey.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Think about Western fandom for a second. What does Western fandom do? Western fandom steals&#8230; From Japanese pirates. A lot. How do you watch your anime? Japanese tv/dvdrippers(most of the time). How do you masturbate to those fresh-from-Comic-Market-doujinshi? The Japanese fans scan them. How do you listen to the new, hot anime opening single? The Japanese rip them. How do you look at Megami posters? Japanese fans scan them.</p>
<p>Yarr matey.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Aug 2009 16:19:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>+1 Positive Agreement to wah</description>
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		<title>By: Campbell</title>
		<link>http://blog.mistakesofyouth.com/2009/08/05/i-had-to-tell-you-twice/comment-page-1/#comment-88930</link>
		<dc:creator>Campbell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Aug 2009 16:00:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well said, Scamp. That was the impression I got aswell.

WAH, for the life of me I can&#039;t get a bead on you. It seems that you really want to help better all of this, but the methods you use and going &quot;I don&#039;t care what people think of me&quot; makes me question your.. Ambition to do it? maybe even if you&#039;re really passionate about it.
Or that could be some funny &quot;If I say I don&#039;t care I can brush off criticism&quot; mechanism, there.

It seems you act like a Catalyst most of the time, bringing it up in your &quot;trademark&quot; way, then letting all of those interested duke it out, not personally doing much more for the cause.

But why be passionate about the cause and not try harder to make it work?
I can&#039;t read you.
It bugs me! :(

Maybe it&#039;s my fault for taking this too seriously, thinking there might be more meaning behind this other then trying to garner replies. But a good Movement can be brought down by a bad supporter, so I&#039;m trying to see the opposite, I guess.

--

Also, BakaRaptor,
I agree on the English-friendly Pixiv thing, but I have to say, while &quot;Beatings work better than hugs&quot; will get more people to pay attention, I don&#039;t think it will get any of them to try and comply.

Crappy analogy ahead, but, It&#039;s like shouting &quot;ASSHOLES, !&quot; while at the store. People will turn a head towards you, but no ones gonna give any thought to what you said while shouting if you couldn&#039;t convey it in a decent way.

I&#039;ve never seen someone change anything they do when they&#039;re insulted.
In fact, it usually makes them lean even further towards doing what they were doing before, but caring even less, which in this case would lead to the Japanese hating us even more, if it&#039;s possible. Pretty much making the &quot;Noble Movement&quot; that was invoked backfire.

This really brought on much more discussion about why people are acting like jerks over this, than it did bring discussion on how to better the problem, it seems..
Hell, it&#039;s the only part of all this I even care about.
I don&#039;t really care about the Butthurt artists if they act like dicks anymore, really, but this has lead to some fascinating blog entries and comments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well said, Scamp. That was the impression I got aswell.</p>
<p>WAH, for the life of me I can&#8217;t get a bead on you. It seems that you really want to help better all of this, but the methods you use and going &#8220;I don&#8217;t care what people think of me&#8221; makes me question your.. Ambition to do it? maybe even if you&#8217;re really passionate about it.<br />
Or that could be some funny &#8220;If I say I don&#8217;t care I can brush off criticism&#8221; mechanism, there.</p>
<p>It seems you act like a Catalyst most of the time, bringing it up in your &#8220;trademark&#8221; way, then letting all of those interested duke it out, not personally doing much more for the cause.</p>
<p>But why be passionate about the cause and not try harder to make it work?<br />
I can&#8217;t read you.<br />
It bugs me! :(</p>
<p>Maybe it&#8217;s my fault for taking this too seriously, thinking there might be more meaning behind this other then trying to garner replies. But a good Movement can be brought down by a bad supporter, so I&#8217;m trying to see the opposite, I guess.</p>
<p>&#8211;</p>
<p>Also, BakaRaptor,<br />
I agree on the English-friendly Pixiv thing, but I have to say, while &#8220;Beatings work better than hugs&#8221; will get more people to pay attention, I don&#8217;t think it will get any of them to try and comply.</p>
<p>Crappy analogy ahead, but, It&#8217;s like shouting &#8220;ASSHOLES, !&#8221; while at the store. People will turn a head towards you, but no ones gonna give any thought to what you said while shouting if you couldn&#8217;t convey it in a decent way.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve never seen someone change anything they do when they&#8217;re insulted.<br />
In fact, it usually makes them lean even further towards doing what they were doing before, but caring even less, which in this case would lead to the Japanese hating us even more, if it&#8217;s possible. Pretty much making the &#8220;Noble Movement&#8221; that was invoked backfire.</p>
<p>This really brought on much more discussion about why people are acting like jerks over this, than it did bring discussion on how to better the problem, it seems..<br />
Hell, it&#8217;s the only part of all this I even care about.<br />
I don&#8217;t really care about the Butthurt artists if they act like dicks anymore, really, but this has lead to some fascinating blog entries and comments.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Aug 2009 15:11:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Man people sure do love the taste of a good troll.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Man people sure do love the taste of a good troll.</p>
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		<title>By: Baka-Raptor</title>
		<link>http://blog.mistakesofyouth.com/2009/08/05/i-had-to-tell-you-twice/comment-page-1/#comment-88918</link>
		<dc:creator>Baka-Raptor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Aug 2009 15:06:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The jerk attitude is necessary to effect change. &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.baka-raptor.com/FreeHugs/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Beatings work better than hugs.&lt;/a&gt; If you sit around saying &quot;c&#039;mon guys, be nice and use Pixiv!&quot;, not nearly as many people would pay attention. Same goes for the opposing side. The &quot;you guys are complacent pussies for complaining about how we don&#039;t link to you even though you don&#039;t mark your images or otherwise indicate how to find you&quot; argument encourages the development of better means of identifying artists. I look forward to seeing an English-friendly Pixiv in the near future, assuming one doesn&#039;t already exist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The jerk attitude is necessary to effect change. <a href="http://www.baka-raptor.com/FreeHugs/" rel="nofollow">Beatings work better than hugs.</a> If you sit around saying &#8220;c&#8217;mon guys, be nice and use Pixiv!&#8221;, not nearly as many people would pay attention. Same goes for the opposing side. The &#8220;you guys are complacent pussies for complaining about how we don&#8217;t link to you even though you don&#8217;t mark your images or otherwise indicate how to find you&#8221; argument encourages the development of better means of identifying artists. I look forward to seeing an English-friendly Pixiv in the near future, assuming one doesn&#8217;t already exist.</p>
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